Game Theory: Did Dream FAKE His Speedrun? A Final Analysis.

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There has been a controversy brewing on the Minecraft side of MNpost centered around well known Minecraft creator Dream. He's been accused of faking his speedrun and it has caused a lot of stir. I'm not here to point fingers or accuse anyone. What I'm doing today, Theorists, is going over the facts of this situation and why it is a lot more complicated than people are making it out to be.
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animeweeb101 14 секундын өмнө
10 times and getting 7+ heads
matthew Цагийн өмнө
it occurred to me as a runescape player that none of these calculations accounted for our lord and savior, rngesus. To deny the reality of something more apparent than gravity itself is grounds for the driest of streaks
Toyhos 2 цагийн өмнө
Little Mo
Little Mo 2 цагийн өмнө
I love SO MUCH that he put an image of a boy scout in class A doing the scout sign when he said "integrity" i makes me happy to be in scouts.
Tresten Burgans
Tresten Burgans 3 цагийн өмнө
Oh I thought you meant the latex gloves in alrgec to latex
Darian Soriano
Darian Soriano 3 цагийн өмнө
I dare you to speedrun one of your gamem theories
Kayden Herring
Kayden Herring 5 цагийн өмнө
the answer is equally
Charlie Maltzahn
Charlie Maltzahn 5 цагийн өмнө
You can get it if you’re lucky
Charlie Maltzahn
Charlie Maltzahn 5 цагийн өмнө
Dream is a very lucky man
THEminecrafter E
THEminecrafter E Цагийн өмнө
It's fake. Get over it
Skeletal 5 цагийн өмнө
I’m still waiting for the conclusion. One month later.
Skeletal 5 цагийн өмнө
this is last year’s drama, mat
Angelxvxlol 6 цагийн өмнө
fliping a 10 time coin at least 7 times thats mine
Wish ish
Wish ish 7 цагийн өмнө
sorry to break it to ya buddy but uhh.... i found this on the youtube recommended tab...
MikayelPlays YT
MikayelPlays YT 7 цагийн өмнө
AlekDaGamer 8 цагийн өмнө
Flipping a coin 100 times and getting 60 heads
PaulRk11 good
PaulRk11 good 9 цагийн өмнө
Conclusion he cheated
Diane Heartbeat
Diane Heartbeat 13 цагийн өмнө
He Cheated and is a fraud and this video makes me sick
Familia Sdrobiș
Familia Sdrobiș 15 цагийн өмнө
Familia Sdrobiș
Familia Sdrobiș 15 цагийн өмнө
Vampire Fnaf
Vampire Fnaf 10 цагийн өмнө
There isn't even 32 minutes
_Mannex_ 21 цагийн өмнө
Can matpat do a theory with technoblade?
mcdonalds client
mcdonalds client 6 цагийн өмнө
no tf
Some Random Boi
Some Random Boi 22 цагийн өмнө
Maybe I'm just awfully wrong, but here's my takeaway on this video: When this came out, people kept complaining about how MatPat didn't give an answer, but truthfully, I don't think he should have, because it doesn't matter. While this is what the title suggests, his video isn't really about that, from what I understand: he was simply trying to bring in a larger audience to listen to an issue that's really affecting Minecraft speedrunning. While MatPat goes over what happened in the cheating scandal, the main takeaway I got is that Minecraft's speedruns are vastly different from other games' speedruns because of its randomly generated terrain and other aspects, and thus we can't make a proper leaderboard based on skill like with other games. There are too many luck factors involved, and they can easily be manipulated. I'm not saying there is no skill involved in Minecraft speedrunning, I'm simply saying luck seems to influence the results by a lot. A method needs to be found to prevent luck from being the most important factor.
Gaspard Martin
Gaspard Martin 5 цагийн өмнө
Well, almost all speedruns have a big part of luck in them, it has become more about the consistency of the runner until they achieve good luck. This is true for most games and minecraft is not that much of an outlier. Pokemon speedruns have many more random elements that affect the run than minecraft for example. I think a lot of people dislike this video because: 1- It's clickbait (a final analysis, really?) 2- he doesn't bring any interesting knowledge about stats (watch stand-up math's video on the topic) 3-We can be certain dream played on a modified version of the game thanks to the base odds everyone (even dream) agrees on 4- he talks about minecraft not deserving leaderboards because of too much randomness without having much knowledge about speedruns (a lot of speedruns have huge luck elements) ie. if people think having a leaderboard is fun who are you to tell them they shouldn't ? These are my thoughts on the vid.
GeorgeTDM 22 цагийн өмнө
this is just a waste of time i didnt expect this from you of all people smh for a real analysis, go watch karl job's video
INDIGO DANIELS 23 цагийн өмнө
FYI: Second option
david ludwig
david ludwig Өдрийн өмнө
Hey, coward. Just say he cheated.
Isaac Frand
Isaac Frand Өдрийн өмнө
i love the custom splash text at the beginning
Kara Zor-El
Kara Zor-El Өдрийн өмнө
WAIT!!!! Did this video tell me to skip the intro.... at the END of the intro? lol :)
Yoshi Өдрийн өмнө
fr wasted my time in this and even barely getting the answer
THAT DUDE THAT Өдрийн өмнө
Am I the only one who will point out Dream is not in first place?
Vampire Fnaf
Vampire Fnaf 10 цагийн өмнө
Matpat pointed that out
jackson perez
jackson perez Өдрийн өмнө
This is a poor video and anyone who doesn’t speedrun doesn’t get it
Vampire Fnaf
Vampire Fnaf 10 цагийн өмнө
Then how do you get it?
Geelar Өдрийн өмнө
For those that want a more definitive answer lookup a video by Stand up math; He has a proper conclusion based on his analysis.
Super Evan Almighty
Super Evan Almighty Өдрийн өмнө
0:56 me when I hear matpat talk about science
ghs aretz
ghs aretz Өдрийн өмнө
the 10 times
Deodath Mansook
Deodath Mansook Өдрийн өмнө
where nano seconds
BassAnthem Өдрийн өмнө
So in conclusion you say if “in speculation” he didn’t cheat you would never know, and if he did it would not be a fair point to down him on?
Jeff wei
Jeff wei Өдрийн өмнө
Does it matter if he cheated, he will still get money and he will still have other interesting vids
Vampire Fnaf
Vampire Fnaf 10 цагийн өмнө
Yes because he still tried to cheat the speedrunning community also it changes his credibility if he cheated or not
Diane Heartbeat
Diane Heartbeat 13 цагийн өмнө
Videos that are scripted
Ketan Srivastava
Ketan Srivastava Өдрийн өмнө
Here is a simple conclusion : Dream DID NOT cheat. He was getting the ender pearls at a slightly higher rate but it cannot be the only variable to be considered in the speedrun. Minecraft has a lot of different variables that affect the speedrun. The official verdict only considers ONE didn't acknowledge the others. So, we can account for sampling bias. But the point Mat is trying to make is that Minecraft is a game which is also contingent on LUCK. As there are a lot of variables in the picture, it would cause a lot of variation in the time for the speedruns. Hence, there is not too much sense for Minecraft to have a speedrun board.
THEminecrafter E
THEminecrafter E Цагийн өмнө
Simple conclusion: he did cheat. Stfu
mcdonalds client
mcdonalds client 6 цагийн өмнө
yeah let me just ignore all the debunks of dream not cheating and all the math bc im 100% correct and not an idiot
Ketan Srivastava
Ketan Srivastava 13 цагийн өмнө
@Diane Heartbeat umm... I respect your opinion, but I might disagree.
Diane Heartbeat
Diane Heartbeat 13 цагийн өмнө
Dream is a fraud
Ketan Srivastava
Ketan Srivastava 21 цагийн өмнө
Thank you, will definitely check it out!
golden_edit_gamer Өдрийн өмнө
i have now realised matt is smarter than a teacher
mcdonalds client
mcdonalds client 6 цагийн өмнө
if you payed even a little bit of attention in clas youd be as smart as him lmao
Jake Miller
Jake Miller Өдрийн өмнө
dont clickbait the title like that, com'on mat
uchka uchral
uchka uchral Өдрийн өмнө
dream cheated watch karl jabost’s video
Riley AF
Riley AF Өдрийн өмнө
Piglord 2 өдрийн өмнө
9:50 geettttt dunkeddd onnnnn. Ut ref
Dustin Long
Dustin Long 2 өдрийн өмнө
You literally didn't give any detail at all. It seems like you glanced at both reports and took them at their word. Statistically, Dream cheated. Even accounting for bias, it was near impossible.
Magdalena Galindo
Magdalena Galindo 2 өдрийн өмнө
1or2 3% of your followers are kids
trudie schulz
trudie schulz 2 өдрийн өмнө
At 10:13 there is a Freddy plush
Ben Huang
Ben Huang 2 өдрийн өмнө
Flipping the coin ten times one
leah mcalister
leah mcalister 2 өдрийн өмнө
You're a boy so shut up
FlexMesh Өдрийн өмнө
And your a kid shut up
TheDimensionist 2 өдрийн өмнө
For everyone who is asking for an answer, the answer is yes.
Tristen Ellis
Tristen Ellis 2 өдрийн өмнө
Twan Luijten
Twan Luijten 2 өдрийн өмнө
appreciate the LaTeX
Durban Shisanyama
Durban Shisanyama 2 өдрийн өмнө
MrBeast buying everything in the background. 😂
M Rose
M Rose 2 өдрийн өмнө
Skip this video and search karl jobst dream. You're welcome.
Among sus Playz
Among sus Playz 2 өдрийн өмнө
Matpat was going full Ein Stein on robert
MUSTAFA XD 2 өдрийн өмнө
there is another channel name The game theory ._.
Kereem Mohammed
Kereem Mohammed 2 өдрийн өмнө
Robert : I am a scientist . Matpat: I am a MNpostr. Robert : ok . Matpat : says all the 300 iq math laws . Robert : mind blown and eyes shattered
Zachary Prinzbach
Zachary Prinzbach 2 өдрийн өмнө
That’s not how you pronounce latex (Knuth wanted lah-teck where the x is a Greek chi) but who cares Ily Matpat
NeonMCPE 3 өдрийн өмнө
“You won’t understand” Me: people say impossible. dream says slightly not that impossible.
Adam Young
Adam Young 3 өдрийн өмнө
Who is Dream.
Jack and Alli
Jack and Alli 3 өдрийн өмнө
Shreyas Bhat
Shreyas Bhat 3 өдрийн өмнө
Just wanted to say, its pronounced Latek...
YoShA 3 өдрийн өмнө
XxCorrupted_MangosxX 3 өдрийн өмнө
Can we just stop to appreciate how much time and effort this man puts into his videos, and he uploads so often
Vanessa Katrina Omac
Vanessa Katrina Omac 17 цагийн өмнө
@Elijah Fontenot He did but he just didn't say it as Yes and No. And he is pointing out as Yes
XxCorrupted_MangosxX 23 цагийн өмнө
@Sigma Q I agree with you, but the point I was trying to make in this comment is that he puts a lot of time and effort in his videos, including this one. He might have not have given a straightforward answer but it is possible that he wanted the viewer to come up with his own answer, he said in the video that there is no possible way to figure out if it was fake, I don’t think he was trying to avoid it but simply that he couldn’t figure it out. You can’t blame him either, he is a human being as well and this topic is very confusing. So in this comment I was simply trying to give the benefit of the doubt to him to try and stick up from all the other comments, I just plainly wanted to give him credit for all the time he devotes into his video.
Sigma Q
Sigma Q Өдрийн өмнө
@XxCorrupted_MangosxX look I like mat too and he definitely puts in a ton of work, but that doesn’t mean he shouldn’t get criticized for a bad product. This video is clickbait plain and simple, he dances around the topic and puts dreams face front and center with the text was it fake taking up an equal amount of space in the thumbnail. Hell the answer he did give that wasn’t wether dream cheated or not was just scapegoating the concept of speed running Minecraft, something he has no right talking about as he doesn’t have a say in what people want to do with the game. Even the race idea was already a concept, wether it’s official or not I can’t say as I haven’t been keeping up. You can’t even say the research is entirely from him as a lot of stats came from other channels that talked about this all more thoroughly and gracefully without being on either side. What dream should’ve done in the first place was just do another category of speed running that I know for a fact exist, but everyone took the current situation to far. dream was being petty as hell when allegations on cheating were being accused of him, the mods while probably being right in the end likely sent the allegations for the wrong reasons, and especially the community who straight up turned the whole situation into a war. But back on topic, this video was released well after the full brunt was over and dream was announced guilty. So the way I see it mat was probably keeping up to date with the situation, as he and dream previously collaborated. He saw the end and started putting together this mess, the reason for it being well after was to avoid backlash of the dream supporters and posted it with the thought of quick bucks in his mind. Thus creating another number to the pile of horrible theories if you can even call this video one, to rot.
XxCorrupted_MangosxX Өдрийн өмнө
He might have not answered but that doesn’t take away from the fact he spent a lot of time on this video, analyzing everything in dreams speedrun. But if you look at what I said it says “videos”, meaning I’m not talking about just this video, he spends a lot of time on all his videos
Elijah Fontenot
Elijah Fontenot 2 өдрийн өмнө
He didn't even an answer
Bashful Bug
Bashful Bug 3 өдрийн өмнө
7 in 10 times
Datsany Vutthikrai
Datsany Vutthikrai 3 өдрийн өмнө
Can talking so fast sounding smart so we believe that he's right
Datsany Vutthikrai
Datsany Vutthikrai 3 өдрийн өмнө
He is actually smart though
Legendary Hunter
Legendary Hunter 3 өдрийн өмнө
I am kinda late here but a Minecraft world will have the same barter rails regardless I don’t know if that is true
Megamiᘛ⁐̤ᕐᐷ 3 өдрийн өмнө
We should have teachers like you , using game to show how things work in real life and how it doesn't work in which will give student excited to learn so the can tell there friends something cool with can improve them actually learning as a 12 year old I really don't pay much attention in class most of the stuff I know is from game theory which is concerning*ps your doing a great job game theory*
Reaper 123
Reaper 123 3 өдрийн өмнө
ikr, i'm 13 and i pass my science tests because of shows online that actually are interesting
Shiwoo Sung
Shiwoo Sung 3 өдрийн өмнө
Bruh, matpat just saw the evidence, and knowing he cheated at the speedrun, decided "yea, he cheated, but he's my friend... you know, they can't accuse him of cheating at the minecraft speedrun, if there weren't minecraft speedruns."
Shiwoo Sung
Shiwoo Sung 3 өдрийн өмнө
Can I just say, the quantum astro biologisticle nuclear particle physisist Dream hired wasn't only wrong, but the website he supposedly got him from is a website about job applications.
Vampire Fnaf
Vampire Fnaf 10 цагийн өмнө
The guy admitted to knowing nother about minecraft
Reaper 123
Reaper 123 3 өдрийн өмнө
Rehaan _BPlayz
Rehaan _BPlayz 3 өдрийн өмнө
if the dream army arises your channel is under the ocean
Dbd Killer main
Dbd Killer main 3 өдрийн өмнө
Bill nye wrote that he is not cheating
TSS_gameer Yeet
TSS_gameer Yeet 3 өдрийн өмнө
M halfway though primary school and this channel has actually taught me something for school with the main video being the dissection of Kirby teaching me about cells when I was really struggling to learn cell division so this channel did help me. Thanks
Justin Perez
Justin Perez 3 өдрийн өмнө
The protective son mathematically spot because michelle inevitably repair since a fluttering pickle. unsightly, merciful dashboard
Rubi Xu
Rubi Xu 4 өдрийн өмнө
Wait so all this over Minecraft? 🙃
jon bones
jon bones 4 өдрийн өмнө
poor dream.......................
starkiller x20
starkiller x20 2 өдрийн өмнө
its quite obvious he's cheating, i dont feel bad for people calling him out for it
I'm a balloon
I'm a balloon 4 өдрийн өмнө
Why would I waste my time filling a coin 100 times
Shake before usage
Shake before usage 3 өдрийн өмнө
Yeah like I could be flipping it 1000 times
Azebu :3
Azebu :3 4 өдрийн өмнө
This video has 30k dislikes. It's probably Dream fans who didn't watch the video.
baablo baablanen
baablo baablanen 4 өдрийн өмнө
The bloody barber disappointedly note because fire causally drain next a abhorrent throne. elastic, absorbed kimberly
THEREAPER 8793 4 өдрийн өмнө
Q 4 өдрийн өмнө
THEREAPER 8793 4 өдрийн өмнө
Before I even watch this I’m gunna say that the bumpkins don’t add up so yes he cheated
EP1CTeam 4 өдрийн өмнө
bro if he cheated then he would have only shown one attempt instead of tons of work that was completely a waste of time
The Bedrock Mask
The Bedrock Mask 4 өдрийн өмнө
If you flip the coin 100 times and get heads 60 times it is more likely to be gotten than heads 7 times when you flip it 10 times.
Reaper 123
Reaper 123 3 өдрийн өмнө
or atleast i don't think it is, so explain
Reaper 123
Reaper 123 3 өдрийн өмнө
no it isn't
James D Griffin
James D Griffin 4 өдрийн өмнө
All this time to make this video and u half a$$ it... nice job
THEminecrafter E
THEminecrafter E Цагийн өмнө
mcdonalds client
mcdonalds client 6 цагийн өмнө
wym all this time? he didnt even put much time into it compared to his other vids
Reaper 123
Reaper 123 3 өдрийн өмнө
conn matlock
conn matlock 4 өдрийн өмнө
Jen Mail
Jen Mail 4 өдрийн өмнө
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DogeTheGamer X
DogeTheGamer X 4 өдрийн өмнө
Lazarbeam right now :(
LoserMC 4 өдрийн өмнө
Geez friends, why do you even care that much. Why can’t we all just watch speedruns for the satisfaction of fast progress making instead of who made faster progress faster.
Magnus Juul
Magnus Juul 4 өдрийн өмнө
Why not ask the actual creators of the game instead of gamers who think they're experts in a game just because they're playing it?
Fortnitengamema FVX
Fortnitengamema FVX 4 өдрийн өмнө
flipping 10 times and getting heads 7+ times I think
flamedark power
flamedark power 4 өдрийн өмнө
Dream:'plays minecraft and speedrun it' All of the community: yeah thats alright When dream gets luck for the ender pearl and blaze rods: 'happy dream power' All of the community: HE'S CHEATING The most fastest minecraft speedrunner: 'walking slowly'
THEminecrafter E
THEminecrafter E Цагийн өмнө
He cheated. Get tf over it
Vaughn eats ICE
Vaughn eats ICE 4 өдрийн өмнө
dream did to get attention and worked
Ariel Trucco
Ariel Trucco 4 өдрийн өмнө
He Did not say. looks sus
George Orwell
George Orwell 4 өдрийн өмнө
The worst Video on the case, even dreams video is better
Kolo 4 өдрийн өмнө
I flipped a coin 10 times and got heads 9 times and tales 1 time
Sun Raider
Sun Raider 4 өдрийн өмнө
100/60 times
Batuhan Özhan
Batuhan Özhan 5 өдрийн өмнө
Jaxon Murphy
Jaxon Murphy 5 өдрийн өмнө
7 times
Red Impostor
Red Impostor 5 өдрийн өмнө
0:13 Rare behind the scenes footage of MrBeast challenges
Padwan*Bam*Adam* 5 өдрийн өмнө
Logan B
Logan B 5 өдрийн өмнө
he never promised an answer. adjust expectations. he's asking a question.. asking YOU a question
SOBA OxSpY 5 өдрийн өмнө
For your concerns, Dream might be extremely lucky. But Mathematically speaking, he's too lucky for that. You make the debate but for me, the 1 in 2200000000000 is too big for me to ignore. I'd call him out for it.
The Mar
The Mar 4 өдрийн өмнө
@Oumar Bah thats for the manhunts not the speedruns
Oumar Bah
Oumar Bah 4 өдрийн өмнө
But I thought dream said that he made multiple videos to find one that was good enough for it to be posted?
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